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1 Maurice Joly
2 Eugene Sue
3 A new proof that the protocols are a forgery
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Maurice Joly

I think it should be made clear in this article that Maurice Joly was a member of a Masonic Lodge and Jewish (thus opening up the possiblity that the Protocols were plagiarized from him). Not sure where to find a reliable source to substantiate this, but it seems highly unlikely that it's completely made up. See this page - http://www.henrymakow.com/maurice_joly_plagiarized_proto.html . I've emailed him to find out the source for Maurica Joly being a mason.

Perhaps we should post a link to that site on the article? --Sparkandstir (talk) 04:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

You'd need a reliable source for such a controversial assertion. And yes, people are falsely accused of being Jewish and Masons all the time; I don't see why you'd think it's unlikely. Aunt Entropy (talk) 04:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I had a look around at that website you linked to, Sparkandstir, and, yes, you'd need to find something a lot more reliable than that. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

According to John Waggoner's 2003 edition of Joly's Dialogues "Joly was not of Jewish descent as was later asserted by Nazi apologists". The article on Joly places him in the category "French Jews". I am removing him. [1] Paul B (talk) 06:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Eugene Sue

Does anyone have any more specific information about the alleged parallels between Sue and Joly? I mean, something similar to the way that people have lined up lists of passages from the DIALOGUES and the PROTOCOLS and shown that clear parallels exist. Is there some similar work done showing a list of parallels from something which Sue wrote and Joly's play? i read through volume 3 of THE MYSTERIES OF A PEOPLE or THE HISTORY OF A PROLETARIAN FAMILY DOWN THROUGH THE AGES and nothing stood out immediately as parallel with the text in Joly's DIALOGUES. Does anyone have more specific information on what Joly is alleged to have copied from Sue and from which text by Sue? Simply citing THE MYSTERIES OF A PEOPLE isn't specific enough because that in itself is a huge 3-volume work, where each individual volume is itself pretty large. It's also been published in the format of about 21 separate smaller books. There is even a significantly smaller version published in 3 volumes under the title THE RIVAL RACES or THE SONS OF JOEL. That smaller version certainly does not have any passages which spring out as naturally parallel with Joly. I've read it completely. I've only read volume 3 of the full edition, because I assumed that the volume which had material relating to the French Revolution would be most likely to have been the one which Joly allegedly cribbed from. But I didn't notice any natural parallels in the text that could be made with the DIALOGUES. Sue has written other books. THE WANDERING JEW contained Jesuit conspiracies in a way which did remind me in a general sense of the PROTOCOLS, but with that book also I didn't find anything which stood out as parallel passages duplicated in the DIALOGUES. Does anyone really have specific information on which work of Sue's Joly is alleged to have cribbed from and what are the listings of passages which in each author's work that can be invoked to argue such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.226.13 (talk) 01:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

A new proof that the protocols are a forgery

Here is the link: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?documents/protocols/protocols.001 lior —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.170.47 (talk) 09:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

New legal verdict, but not new proof. The points in that article on the verdict in a Russian court simply recycled arguments which show that textually the Protocols are derived from other sources and do not constitute an authentic unaltered transcript of a genuine meeting held anywhere. The phrase "new proof" implies that some new form of evidence, possibly obtained from Russian archives going back to the Czarist era, has been provided. The article you cited gave no indication of such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.247.134.38 (talk) 12:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured article star

In an audit of current featured articles, I discovered that this article has been missing its featured article star since this edit over a month ago. I have re-added the star. Maralia (talk) 04:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

link to the xocument

http://freespace.virgin.net/crc.english/protocols/

I have added it in the past but now Boodlesthecat has removed it. As I see it it is only contained the copy of the book without any links to anti semitics website. It is contain some "preface" that say that the translation of this copy was himself victim of the conspiracy but I have notice that it is very popular "preface". The link in my opinion allow to people that want to learn about anti semitism and the protocol to do so. If this book contained links ot other anti semitic website then I agree it should be removed.Oren.tal (talk) 12:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

This is insupportable. Nose around on that site and you'll see it's a fringe site that looks like it's promoting the Protocols. Since we have other links to the text of the Protocols, there's no reason to link to this site. I'm re-deleting it. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)